Yoda vs. Gandalf
Well, they're both clearly on the side of good--one is the White wizard, the other a Jedi Master. Today's theoretical grudgematch is between Gandalf and Yoda. Who is better? Stronger? Who wins in a head-to-head matchup?
Don't bother arguing this on the grounds of a "dance-off." This video shows that argument may already be moot.
Discuss.
Don't bother arguing this on the grounds of a "dance-off." This video shows that argument may already be moot.
Discuss.
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I would have to say that Gandalf could kick Yoda's butt any day. The man can't die! Hello! How can you beat that?
I think Yoda's a weirdo... he might fight well but... who talks like that? No one cool.
Yoda, no question. Gandalf may have achieved immortality, but the depth and influence of Yoda's wisdom far surpasses the power of Gandalf's wizardry.
Gandalf had some good moves when he fought Sauron up in the tower, but as evidenced in Yoda's throwdown with Dooku, and in Lane's video reference, Yoda's got better.
I think what it really comes down to though, is this: heavy wooden walking stick vs. Lightsaber.
Yoda in round one.
jenny, let's see how you talk when you're 900 years old.
That wooden walking stick is pretty cool - he can make shields and throw people against the wall with it.
I can't let all of these pro-Yoda comments go unanswered.
As to toughness, I have one word for you all: Balrog. Do you guys even realize what a Balrog is???
Let me remind you, straight from Wikipedia: A Balrog is a demon; a tall, menacing being in the shape of a man, having control of both fire and shadow. It has a fiery whip of many thongs. The Balrog induces great terror in friends and foes alike and can shroud itself in darkness and shadow and can only be defeated by someone/thing of equal power.
In fact, Balrogs are from the same order as Sauron, the Dark Lord himself.
I don't think we ever see anything like that in Star Wars.
Second, I take issue with the contention that Yoda is wiser than Gandalf. Just one example: remember when Frodo, depressed in the depths of the mines of Moria, laments that the task of bearing the ring has fallen to him and that he wishes he lived in happier times? Gandalf wisely replies: "So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world Frodo, besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring. In which case, you were also meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought."
That thought has indeed given me encouragement in many a dark moment.
Basically, Gandalf is immortal, magical, really tough, and has a wisdom that surpasses any of Yoda's fortune-cookie lines. Gandalf wins.
P.S. For more information about Balrogs, I direct you to http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/TAB.html.
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I think the whole point about Gandalf's supposed immortality is moot. All you have to do is stick him on a really tall tower somewhere, take away his magic stick, and make sure there aren't any moths around and he's completely defeated. That should not be a problem for one as strong in the force as Yoda. Who cares if you can live forever if you are stuck on a tall tower for eternity.
And according to wikipedia, Gandalf did in fact "die", but his spirit still lived and he was resurrected by Eru the supreme being. So he can physically die. He just got lucky and was resurrected this time. No one knows if he would be so lucky if he met the green light saber!
PS--I removed my earlier comment because of a typo, this has the same content, and at least one less typo!
If someone told me this morning that I've have to defend Yoda's honor today, I'd have laughed in their face. However, I'll let the Jedi Master speak for himself.
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”
“Do or do not... there is no try.”
“Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.”
“Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not. Miss them do not. Attachment leads to jealously. The shadow of greed, that is.”
“Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.”
Clearly, Yoda's wisdom exceeds even his 900 years.
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Nolan, your argument totally rocks. "...make sure there aren't any moths around," I love it. You win. Wait, I mean Yoda wins.
Okay, I don't think that this will end the debate, but it might help to frame it correctly.
Gandalf is a Maiar, his original name was Olorin. If you don't know what I mean by that than you are officially not a nerd. If you do, you have probably read "The Silmarilion" (Tolkien).
Anyway, since a Maiar is just below a god (the Valar in Tolkien's mythology), then this would make him comparable to a kind of angel. This explains his immortality. Other Maiar in the main stories include the other wizzards, the balrogs and Sauron.
So, you might be comparing apples and oranges. But if you want my vote: Gandalf wins.
Here is why:
Yoda: alien / mortal
Gandalf: Angel / more than immmortal
Sorry about the nerdiness.
thanks for the post matt, and let me just say that part of the idea of this blog is indeed to compare apples and oranges.
One could also compare their records:
Yoda:
In a physical/force fight with the Emperor: Loss
In a battle of wits, strategy and wisdom against the Emperor: Loss
Gandalf:
In a physical/magic fight with a Balrog: Win
In a battle of wits, strategy and wisdom against Sauron: Win.
(Remember that the Balrog and Sauron are also Maiar, while the Emperor was simply a bad dude)
Wait a minute here. Didn't Yoda help orchestrate a victory over the Emperor even after he was dead? And, maybe I misunderstand - while he did defeat the Balrog, didn't Gandalf die in the process?
The fact that Yoda HELPED orchestrate anything after he was dead is moot because Gandalf orchestrated more after he himself was "dead". I quote dead since the fact of his immortality seems to be in debate. Besides Gandalf was only defeated by Saruman when he was Gandalf the Gray. I could be mistaken but I believe that this grudgematch is between Yoda and Gandalf the WHITE, who ended up defeating Saruman by banishing him from king Theoden. So as much as I hate to admit it, I think Gandalf would be the winner .
The proof is now settled. Matt did actually shut you all up. So in my humble opinion. Gandalf wins!
During the battle with the Balrog, Gandalf describes dying after the battle, and returning to the stars, where he is sent back, reborn as Gandalf the White. We can therefore infer that Wizards are selectively immortal when a task remains to be done.... and putting the smack-down on a furry green muppet who sounds like Grover sure seems a worthy task to return from the dead....
But this fight wouldn't even occur since they would be wise enough to realize that this match doesn't lead anywhere.
But if it was a life/dead process. Gandalf would win!
I am a true Lord of the Rings fan, of the books, then the movie. However, Yoda would win. Gandalf, if given the ring, would fall to the dark side, and he knew it! Which is why Frodo had the ring. Yoda would NEVER fall to the dark side. The force of good was too strong.
I think Yoda's fight with Count Dooku really proves he has the physical ability to maych his immense wisdom and knowledge of the force. You cant reallly compare Gandalf's magical powers to Yoda's powers over the force, for they are really equal in power. Gandalf can toss old guys around in a tower and block the sord of a Balrog with his; yoda can lift spaceships and fly and jump all over the fucking place.
The lightsaber of Yoda has the clear advantage over Gandalf's staff and sword, however as stated above, Gandalf woul likely have little trouble shielding himself from it. the question is could he land a fatal blow on Yoda himself? I doubt it.
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Ok Im not as vastly knowledgeable in this subject as many of you seem to be, though I am currently reading Lord of the Rings again and after having this debate of Yoda or Gandalf in work I decided to google in and came across this!
I believe that Gandalf would win.
I belive that because Gandalf defeated the Balrog who is far greater an enemy that the dudes Yoda fought.
Also, Gandalf does kick ass fireworks and I like that in my hero so I choose him!
Though I do think Yoda kicks ass too.
Gandalfs my fave though!
x
first of all the walking stick vs lightsaber is not true gandalf when fighting the balrog turned his sword into a bolt of lightning. that counters the lightsaber. Ass to yoda being wiser gandalf is way older than 900 so has more knowledge. the force can be countered be gandalfs staff push thing. Gandalf wins because he counters all of yodas abbilities and still has more magic thatn lightning and a force push.
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well basically gandalf miight just have the ability to break yoda's lightsaber so it depends which gandalf you speak of grey or white, plus yoda is very powerful with the force and gandalf has no need for is staff it just concentrates his magic, he can kill without as u see on the bridge of khazadum and the face-off on the tower. so in the end force vs magic, gandalf is also the holder of the ring arnya(fire), plus gandalf could only use his powers on equals i suppose a jedi might count.
But in the end it would probably have gandalf win, if he showed his full power in the movies you would see but what fun would that be.
The obvious answer would be Gandalf. He is an aniur for god's sake, and he survived 2000 years of trouble in middle earth, while Yoda couldn't even defeat Palpatine. It wouldn't be much of a fight.
As to earlier in the conversation people said starwars had nothing that compared to the balrog.
Has the Balrog ever destroyed any planets?
No! However the death star has.
Death Star trumps Balrog.
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Jake, Yoda did not destroy the Death Star...
And since the Balrog is shadow and flame I would like to see Yoda slice it with his lightsaber. I mean you have to be pretty beastly to kill a shadow. (Which Gandalf did)
Gandalf unrestricted could literally stomp Yoda.
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